目前M4/3最大光圈变焦镜曝光~有图有真相~~~~
12-35 f2.0 售价在2100美金35-100 f2.0售价在2500美金
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^11^如我所料的 过万了 这2镜头 必须过万。
没商量。 这么贵,没意思 图片一看就是假的,指标和奥林巴斯曾经的镜皇一样,身材却这么苗条? 本帖最后由 longbow 于 2011-8-26 22:58 编辑
这么贵,算下来,可能奥林巴斯还便宜一点。
奥林巴斯是14-35,这个是12-35,广角端还是有点区别的。
sean_tian 发表于 2011-8-26 22:40 static/image/common/back.gif
图片一看就是假的,指标和奥林巴斯曾经的镜皇一样,身材却这么苗条?
这个不是假的。。是今天的发布会透露的。。本帖的两款明年发布
还发布了另外几款平价的HD头 9月上市 楼主的图只截了中间一块,完整的是:
求日文达人,“参考出品”是神马意思?
本帖最后由 sean_tian 于 2011-8-27 01:04 编辑
奥林巴斯4/3系列的35-100/f2尺寸和造型跟小竹炮和小白差不多,12-35/f2的尺寸也跟各家全幅24-70/f2.8类似,这图片上的两个镜头一看就是狗头造型和尺寸,是不可能做到f2的恒定光圈的,极有可能是做ppt的人随便找了两张既有镜头的图,把数值稍微改改就匆忙发布了,相当的不负责任 本帖最后由 sean_tian 于 2011-8-31 16:50 编辑
doodle 发表于 2011-8-31 15:10 static/image/common/back.gif
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你这样说就好比在液晶没出来的时候说 电视能做那么薄?反正我是不相信的
不要拿数字技术和光学技术类比,数字技术和光学技术是有本质区别的,这几十年来,cpu的大小和性能变化是有目共睹的,但是反观镜头技术,外观尺寸和光圈焦距的比例在过去一百多年几乎就没什么变化,早期镜头镜片少,为了保证成像质量,光圈做不大,现代镜头能够做大光圈无非是利用电脑计算增加镜片抑制像差同时控制玻璃材质改变折射率来尽量缩小体积,但是不管是光学设计还是材料学,都是有局限的,一方面是科技水平,一方面是成本控制,松下夸得下海口,但能不能真正做出来又是另一回事了 和14-45的对比 有你说的那么大吗??? 回复 sean_tian 的帖子
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本帖最后由 舞桀 于 2011-8-31 13:07 编辑
应该是向奥巴的 14-3535-100学习的。。。。。
如果售价如实,那比奥巴要稍微厚道一点
但的确只是比狗头稍微大一点,奥巴的F2头可是比这大不少。难道松下就这么牛?小镜身大光圈?
单论镜头技术,奥巴是强于松下的,就算是松下钻研小型化也是有限度的,f2的恒定光圈能做到这么小的镜身?反正我是不信的,f2.8倒是有可能 回复 sean_tian 的帖子
你这样说就好比在液晶没出来的时候说 电视能做那么薄?反正我是不相信的 这真是2.8的 我相信有这么小,因为奥林巴斯的那两个头是4/3口的,而这两个是M4/3口的.
M4/3的法兰焦距比4/3短很多,而法兰焦距越短就可以把镜头做得越小. 回复 longbow 的帖子
我说 M43做那么大也是正常的 正是因为法兰的关系~只是有的人不明白! doodle 发表于 2011-8-31 15:10 static/image/common/back.gif
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你这样说就好比在液晶没出来的时候说 电视能做那么薄?反正我是不相信的
就像砖家不信手机中央处理器超过P4一样 本帖最后由 煮鱼大嘬 于 2011-9-1 02:03 编辑
松下就是下一代的霸主! 前有奥林巴斯的技术协议支持,后有买断令它备受折磨的三洋跨界摄像机系列。三家厂商的技术力量做一家的产品。以后 佳能 尼康 怎么和它竞争都很吃力。 本帖最后由 yanggangyuna 于 2011-9-1 03:15 编辑
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呵呵,你知道一个腾龙的镜头吗,28-75mm 2.8恒定光圈。35mm全画幅镜头。我电脑里很多照片都是它拍的。成像相当不错。对比适马的24 70(82mm口径)或者图丽的28 80 2.8(77mm口径),你也会觉得它的尺寸、口径、重量都是不可能的。但是它就是发生了。 煮鱼大嘬 发表于 2011-9-1 01:48 static/image/common/back.gif
就像砖家不信手机中央处理器超过P4一样
我都说过了数字技术和光学技术是有本质区别的,还来? 煮鱼大嘬 发表于 2011-9-1 02:03 static/image/common/back.gif
松下就是下一代的霸主! 前有奥林巴斯的技术协议支持,后有买断令它备受折磨的三洋跨界摄像机系列。三家厂商 ...
说得好像松下是你家的一样,松下老板也不敢这么夸口吧 本帖最后由 sean_tian 于 2011-9-1 12:38 编辑
doodle 发表于 2011-9-1 00:33 static/image/common/back.gif
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我说 M43做那么大也是正常的 正是因为法兰的关系~只是有的人不明白!
m4/3因为法兰距的缩短,镜头确实可以稍微小一些,但我早就说过了,是有局限的,这是科学,不是耍嘴皮子,他之前的所有变焦镜头都是3.5-4.5,5.6甚至6.3的小光圈,突然出个f2恒定,而体积却只大了一点点,难道他打了鸡血,还是脑子突然开窍了? 本帖最后由 煮鱼大嘬 于 2011-9-1 17:31 编辑
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就算不幸知道了又有什么用? 兄台是上光所的吗?
镜头生产是物理 化学(镜片化学合成) 数学 计算机 人体工程 的综合我们需要全知道吗?如果你认为需要知道请分享一下。谢谢!
在光学中,一个光学系统中的焦比(英文f-number,或称"F比例"、"相对孔径"、"光圈值"等)表达了镜头的焦距和光圈直径大小的关系。简单来说,焦比等如焦距数除以孔径数。焦比是无因次量的,它代表了摄影学中的一个重要概念:镜速(Lens speed)的量。
The f-number (f/#) is often notated as N and is given by
where f is the focal length, and D is the diameter of the entrance pupil. By convention, "f/#" is treated as a single symbol, and specific values of f/# are written by replacing the number sign with the value. For example, if the focal length is 16 times the pupil diameter, the f-number is f/16, or N = 16. The greater the f-number, the less light per unit area reaches the image plane of the system; the amount of light transmitted to the film (or sensor) decreases with the f-number squared. Doubling the f-number increases the necessary exposure time by a factor of four.
The pupil diameter is proportional to the diameter of the aperture stop of the system. In a camera, this is typically the diaphragm aperture, which can be adjusted to vary the size of the pupil, and hence the amount of light that reaches the film or image sensor. The common assumption in photography that the pupil diameter is equal to the aperture diameter is not correct for many types of camera lens, because of the magnifying effect of lens elements in front of the aperture.
A 100 mm focal length lens with an aperture setting of f/4 will have a pupil diameter of 25 mm. A 200 mm focal length lens with a setting of f/4 will have a pupil diameter of 50 mm. The 200 mm lens's f/4 opening is larger than that of the 100 mm lens but both will produce the same illuminance in the focal plane when imaging an object of a given luminance.
In other types of optical system, such as telescopes and binoculars, the same principle holds: the greater the focal ratio, the fainter the images created (measuring brightness per unit area of the image).
T-stops
Since all lenses absorb some portion of the light passing through them (particularly zoom lenses containing many elements), T-stops are sometimes used instead of f-stops for exposure purposes, especially for motion picture camera lenses. The T in T-stop stands for transmission. The practice became popular in cinematographic usage before the advent of zoom lenses, where fixed focal length lenses were calibrated to T-stops: This allowed the turret-mounted lenses to be changed without affecting the overall scene brightness. Lenses were bench-tested individually for actual light transmission and assigned T stops accordingly. Modern cinematographic lenses now usually tend to be factory-calibrated in T-stops. T-stops measure the amount of light transmitted through the lens in practice, and are equivalent in light transmission to the f-stop of an ideal lens with 100% transmission. Since all lenses absorb some quantity of light, the T-number of any given aperture on a lens will always be greater than the f-number. Consequently, the depth of field for a given T-number will be slightly less than that when the f-number is set to the same value, since the aperture diameter is slightly greater. In recent years, advances in lens technology and in film and sensor exposure latitude have reduced the need for T-stop values, although T-stops are still considered industry standard for cinematographic lenses
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